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The Celestron ORIGIN: An In Depth Review - Is it Worth your $4000??
The new Celestron Origin Home Observatory sought out to make astronomy available in any household. This smart all-in-one telescope combined astrophotography and simplistic ergonomics to make anyone an astronomer. This new telescope to the market combines all kinds of the latest technologies from Celestron and incorporates them into one easy to use package. In this video, we dive deep into the Celestron Origin, its features, the use, and the photos it produces. This telescope is certainly the king of automated smart telescopes out there. Come along as we explore Origin from top to bottom and find out if it is worth your $4000.
Feel free to skip to a section you may be interested in:
Introduction : 00:01
Optics : 01:42
Mount : 03:38
Camera : 04:57
Onboard Electronics : 06:30
Other Features : 08:44
The App : 14:15
Under the Night Sky : 23:09
Final Thoughts : 42:05
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Photographing the EAGLE NEBULA with 2 TELESCOPES!
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The Eagle Nebula is a famous target in our night sky. In this video we photograph it using two telescopes, a Celestron 9.25 and the ZWO Seestar. I’ll stack photos over several hours to create images of the Pillars of Creation, a famous structure within the Eagle Nebula. Anyone can capture this from their light polluted city to the darkest of night skies. Enjoy! M16, or the Eagle Nebula is a bri...
The EASIEST STAR TRAILS are with a GoPro!
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A ton of people have a GoPro on hand, but did you know if you have the more recent versions that support night photos and star lapse modes, you can take very easy and beautiful star trail videos and photos? In this video we talk about some settings and how to tune your GoPro to produce beautiful night sky astrophotography shots with your GoPro, specifically the 11 and 12. If you enjoy my videos...
A STAR PARTY in the Rockies! The Rocky Mountain Star Stare
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Recently I got the chance to attend the Rocky Mountain Star Stare, or RMSS for short. It’s nestled in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado and features optimal skies for a big star party. Fit with a food vendor, hundreds of telescopes, and so many eyes to the skies at night, it truly felt like an oasis in the mountains. The stargazing and astrophotography conditions were perfect for 2 of the 4 night...
Celestron CGX - 3 Maintenance Tips for Better Performance
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The Celestron CGX is a widely popular mount between astrophotographers and visual astronomers. This mount though does have some design flaws that can attribute to performance loss over time. In this video, I’ll walk you through 3 relatively easy adjustments to make if you’re struggling with performance and motor issues on your Celestron CGX. Tuning the belts, adjusting the mesh of the worm and ...
Skywatcher CQ350 - An Astrophotographers Dream? Full review
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In this video we take a closer look at the Skywatcher CQ350 center balanced equatorial mount. This beast in the EQ7 category boasts a huge astrophotography payload perfect for all your imaging equipment and telescope gear. The CQ350 is a rival to the CGX, CGX-L, and the CEM70. Come along and find out the best attributes of the CQ350 and the quirks that make this an almost perfect mount. If you ...
Celestron FirstScope 76 - Review - Is it Worth $80???
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Celestron’s FirstScope 76 has been a hot beginners product since 2009 when it was introduced. This introductory telescope is priced at $80 but can really do a decent job as showing you the night sky for the first time. In this video we take a deeper look at it, the advantages and disadvantages to its design and capabilities for the price point. If you enjoy my videos, please drop a like, and hi...
TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE 2024 - An Adventure Like No Other!
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I set out to capture the Total Solar Eclipse on April 8, 2024 in this video with the goal of flying to see it and returning the same day. We flew from Utah down to Dallas to photograph a rare total solar eclipse that was putting on a show right through Texas, Arkansas, Indiana, Illinois and other states for the last time before 2044. I took all my equipment on a carry on bag, photographed it at...
Photographing the LEO TRIPLET of Galaxies!
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Photographing the LEO TRIPLET of Galaxies!
The NOMAD Star Tracker - Quick Review
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The NOMAD Star Tracker - Quick Review
The Messier Marathon with the Seestar!
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The Messier Marathon with the Seestar!
Capturing Thor’s Helmet in Canis Major!
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Capturing Thor’s Helmet in Canis Major!
FULL MOON: Observing the Lunar Landscape with Your Telescope!
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FULL MOON: Observing the Lunar Landscape with Your Telescope!
Photographing the California Nebula
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Photographing the California Nebula
Photographing the Horsehead Nebula and Crab Nebula Together!
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Photographing the Horsehead Nebula and Crab Nebula Together!
The ZWO Seestar S50 meets the Double Cluster!
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The ZWO Seestar S50 meets the Double Cluster!
Photographing the Pacman Nebula
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Photographing the Pacman Nebula
My Channel Trailer - Maximum Astronomy
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Starizona’s Cool Edge is your Celestron SCT’s Handy Friend
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Starizona’s Cool Edge is your Celestron SCT’s Handy Friend
Celestron’s Biggest EVOLUTION: The 9.25” Review!
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Celestron’s Biggest EVOLUTION: The 9.25” Review!
Optolong’s L-Extreme F/2 Filter Review: Is It Any Good?
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Optolong’s L-Extreme F/2 Filter Review: Is It Any Good?
The RING OF FIRE! October’s Spectacular Annular Eclipse
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The RING OF FIRE! October’s Spectacular Annular Eclipse
The ZWO ASI2600MC-Pro is the APS-C Camera You NEED!
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The ZWO ASI2600MC-Pro is the APS-C Camera You NEED!
Popular For Good Reason - The Nexstar 8 SE
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Popular For Good Reason - The Nexstar 8 SE
Viewing the Sun with YOUR Telescope is EASY!
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Viewing the Sun with YOUR Telescope is EASY!
Celestron’s BEST Fork - The Nexstar GPS 11”
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Celestron’s BEST Fork - The Nexstar GPS 11”
A Trip to the Darkest Skies in the West!
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A Trip to the Darkest Skies in the West!
Astrophotography: The Detailed Basics
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Astrophotography: The Detailed Basics
Celestron Nexstar 127 SLT: The perfect grab and go setup?
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Celestron Nexstar 127 SLT: The perfect grab and go setup?
The Sky-Watcher HEQ5 PRO: The Perfect Budget EQ Mount?
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The Sky-Watcher HEQ5 PRO: The Perfect Budget EQ Mount?

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @cato451
    @cato451 День тому

    I want one but $4,000 plus is not acceptable.

  • @ronaldwest2264
    @ronaldwest2264 2 дні тому

    Wow! Beautiful! But way too much work, lol!

  • @iang7393
    @iang7393 2 дні тому

    Have an XLT version deforked recently. Put it on AM5. Works like a charm, much more manageable as tube itself is about 18 KG. Love it!

  • @alexandrevaliquette3883
    @alexandrevaliquette3883 3 дні тому

    Noob here with genuine question on moon watchers... Even if you have a +50k$ telescope, what is the fun of watching the moon once you already spend +40 hours watching it in various lighting/phase conditions? Don't get me wrong, it's one of the most beautiful/impressive space object with incredible details, but it doesn't change much and once you have all your great pictures, what else is keeping you into the hobby? Sure, you also can get the other planets and various objects, but even then... Aren't they all very subtle variation of themself once you have spend some time on them? This summer, I went to my local observatory and spend an awesome night until 4hAM with club members. I wish more peoples get this experience once in their life. But when I compare... I started microscopy few months ago...🔬 Even if I watch two soil/water sample, I'm garantie I will have a lot of different shape/size and comportment. I can even induce stimulus to provoke change, etc. I can also use the scope to make various health diagnostic. It can be use 24/7 and with a 300$ instrument, you can enjoy the hobby for the rest of your life.🦠

  • @StereoSpace
    @StereoSpace 4 дні тому

    I agree with your prediction that if this model is successful, we'll see an 8" and 10" in the future.

  • @marcelpost4052
    @marcelpost4052 5 днів тому

    collimation hell?

  • @StarPicturesMiami
    @StarPicturesMiami 5 днів тому

    Great review. Yes, it looks amazing. But, I still love my Seestar. I can take it anywhere. Though the Origin's image quality is very impressive.

  • @stefanaldea
    @stefanaldea 6 днів тому

    This mount is a total junk. It's cheaper, but it's totally useless. Very difficult or impossible to polar align, and no matter how well you do it, you still have star trails on exposures longer than 10 sec. It wobbles, no matter what you do. The original tripod is weak and very unstable. If you want to throw the money out the window, buy it.

  • @marcussparticus8380
    @marcussparticus8380 6 днів тому

    Why no pictures of the sky through this telescope

  • @DeMarki81
    @DeMarki81 6 днів тому

    In France this is NINE times more expensive compared to the Seestar S50. Is it that much better though? I don't think so

  • @GrnXnham
    @GrnXnham 7 днів тому

    I looked through a 45" at a star party many years ago and that one blew me away! I can only imagine how impressive the 70" views are.

  • @DigitalDonsRC
    @DigitalDonsRC 7 днів тому

    Thank you for your excellent review. The Origin is impressive instrument but so is the little Seestar in its own way. I also imaged M 17 from my Bortle 6/7 backyard and compared my results with the image shown in the video. While the Origin outperforms the Seestar, the Seestar image is 'almost as good' and both instruments certainly provide better views than I've ever seen through an eyepiece.

  • @moisesso563
    @moisesso563 7 днів тому

    Hi i will be Reciving my tomorrow and wanted yor opinion on what filter will you recommend to se objets and planets whit my kid and family I do have this ones: Celestron 93624 Narrowband Oxygen III 2 Filter, Celestron 94124 2-Inch UHC/LPR Filter, Celestron 94305 Two-inch Eyepiece and Filter Kit, Orion 5562 2-Inch Variable Polarizing Eyepiece Filterand I know you liked Optolong L-eXtreme F2, and it is one of my next buys if I share to buy 2 more filter what will be your opinion?

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 7 днів тому

      The filters you described are for visual observing. I am not confident they would work overly well with the origin. The clear filter it ships with will be your best for the moon and planets, star clusters and galaxies. A good nebula narrowband filter like the Celestron origin specific one, the L-extreme f/2, IDAS NBZ high speed are all great choices for nebulae. Hope that helps! Clear skies

  • @AstroComposerKarE
    @AstroComposerKarE 8 днів тому

    Can the app go in to night app mode? My astro club will kill me if I have a non-red app driving the scope!

  • @cyberfel2010
    @cyberfel2010 9 днів тому

    Tx for the video, will be checking for next version, the camera is not worth the price tag for me.

  • @robvilla622
    @robvilla622 9 днів тому

    I bought one and I love it. I have an 11”SCT and the Origin was an easy way to get into astrophotography. The images are terrific.

  • @ARNFL13
    @ARNFL13 10 днів тому

    I really wish one of these companies would release a smart telescope specifically for moon and planetary imaging

  • @FredLombardo
    @FredLombardo 10 днів тому

    I have a few issues with this telescope. First is the cost. Secondly, what about field rotation from what I presume is an Alt-Az mount. How would it run if you threw it on a wedge? And, of course, the added expense of said wedge. Overall, it’s a good video and I was curious about this unit. I have a SeeStar and it cost $100.00 to throw it on an EQ mount. With the EQ mount, I’ve images a target for 2 hours straight with no field rotation and zero frames rejected. To me, who also owns a full size Edge HD8 with HyperStar, it’s not worth the price.

  • @yepitsme6202
    @yepitsme6202 11 днів тому

    I found one at a thrift store that missing the knob that hold the tube to the base. Do you know what size that knob is? Thanks

  • @anata5127
    @anata5127 11 днів тому

    How many mounts do you have? In your videos, I have counted 5 mounts.

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 11 днів тому

      I have owned various equipment over time for reviews, testing and such. My primary mount is an Orion Atlas Pro AZ/EQ.

    • @anata5127
      @anata5127 5 днів тому

      @@MaximumAstronomy Are you planning to compare AP Mach2 with this mount?

  • @tommiebrock6603
    @tommiebrock6603 11 днів тому

    I am buying the ipad Pro13 M4. Which ipad case do you use?

  • @mistereuphemist8487
    @mistereuphemist8487 11 днів тому

    ZWO AM5 with tripod $2298.00 Apertura Carbon Star 150 $849.00 ASI 533MC Pro $799.00 Optolong L Extreme $309.00 Sharpcap with live stacking $18.00 Total $4274.94 Better telescope, better equatorial mount, better filter, better camera, better stacking.

    • @johnnydanger8701
      @johnnydanger8701 9 днів тому

      This is for people who aren’t interested in figuring things out. They just want to spend the money, plop it down and watch it work. It’s cool for getting people into the hobby who otherwise wouldn’t be, or keeping people interested who have a short attention span, low frustration threshold. Price point is 1,000 too high IMO.

  • @cyberfel2010
    @cyberfel2010 11 днів тому

    Nice video, thanks.. I hope for a biger sensor cammera..

  • @jc4evur661
    @jc4evur661 12 днів тому

    The T-Rex was the icing on the cake...9:50

  • @christas6774
    @christas6774 13 днів тому

    I have a cgx that went to celestron years back because it had the runaway issue. Now it behaves but I do have that weird vibration noise like you first showed. I'm going to have to try your technique.

  • @sebastiannietor9724
    @sebastiannietor9724 13 днів тому

    Can't find telescope position! Point telescope at a clear area of sky.

  • @newcinema4931
    @newcinema4931 13 днів тому

    Me who doesn't have $4000 dollars: very interesting indeed

  • @MadawaskaObservatory
    @MadawaskaObservatory 13 днів тому

    your very good

  • @MadawaskaObservatory
    @MadawaskaObservatory 13 днів тому

    very loud

  • @MadawaskaObservatory
    @MadawaskaObservatory 13 днів тому

    The cable to the camera is to BIG. It should half that size. Also the camera is TOO small.

  • @eyesea2
    @eyesea2 14 днів тому

    Excellent review. Thank you! Awesome scope. Please review the Vespera Pro!

  • @bradbenn719
    @bradbenn719 15 днів тому

    Very nice review. Thank you! Question: do you have to level the tripod and calibrate the compass before each use for the goto to work accurately like on the Seestar? Also, what about lunar tracking and solar tracking (solar filter?)?

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 15 днів тому

      Thank you very much! For the tripod you do have to level it but there is no compass inside to calibrate. It all does based off its plate solving software to locate the sky once you’ve put in your location in the settings. As for the planets and solar system objects, I am currently working on a video for that! But there is no dedicated function for them like with the SeeStar as of yet.

    • @bradbenn719
      @bradbenn719 15 днів тому

      @@MaximumAstronomy Thanks so much for the quick reply! Very helpful. I'm sure Celestron will continue to add features via software upgrades over time. Will be interesting to see what they do. I think there is a significant market for these smart scopes. I'm part of that market as astrophotography is interesting to me but I don't have the time or desire to go down yet another hobby rabbithole to learn everything necessary to build my own rig. It is odd to me, though, that so many seem to be gatekeepers for this hobby and don't like people like me to be able to image the sky without having to go through the long learning curve. I guess that's true of many hobbies, though. "I did it the hard way, so you should have to also" (I'm obviously not talking about you specifically, just the general tone I pick up on various forums)

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 15 днів тому

      I totally get that. Everyone has their own path to whatever part of the hobby they want to invest time and money into. And yes there are a lot of people who dislike the smart telescopes because it takes all the small things away that matter to them. But to each their own! Smart telescopes aren’t for everyone. Big imaging rigs aren’t for everyone too. Enjoy the hobby in whatever capacity you choose to explore! That’s the fun of it! :)

  • @ionfreefly
    @ionfreefly 16 днів тому

    What gets me is that there are other smart telescopes in the same price but lower specs and people praise those but then people are so critical of this...

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 16 днів тому

      I’ve heard many good things about the Stellina and other “premium” smart telescopes and I think why this one gets scrutinized is because Celestron is a very popular brand that has been innovating for a long time in our hobby. Other smart telescopes like the widely popular SeeStar have 90% of the same functionality at the end of the day. The price point is what is killer for folks. In some ways, this product isn’t anything “new” really. It’s just a mix of their current offerings slammed into one hybrid product. And evolution mount you can get for $1200 if you were to buy it alone. That means the 6” RASA OTA is $2800 with the onboard electronics, which is crazy! An 8” RASA and your own dedicated camera with better specs would be cheaper in that regard. And I think that’s why this gets so much criticism is because Celestron wants high end money but it doesn’t do anything really the Seestar and some others do for a fraction of the cost, but the Origin just does them a little faster is all. I’m a huge fan of Celestron, I just don’t think this is going to be a slam dunk winner like their regular RASAs have been. The Seestar has the same stacking, the same Alt Az, dew heater, automatic finding of targets, plate solve, etc etc etc but yet cost $499. This is 8x the cost just to do everything a little faster and a larger aperture.

    • @ionfreefly
      @ionfreefly 16 днів тому

      @@MaximumAstronomy The value of the seestar cant be beat for sure. However, the evscope 2 is 4.7K on amazon! Sure, us experienced guys could get this for less but to have these kinds of capabilities with all the fans and dew heaters and everything ready to go out of the box, no setting back focus, collimation, dealing with tilt, etc. does have value for others and while the seestar may provide the same experience for EAA if you want high resolution quality images the seestar falls way short. Great and thorough review. Thanks for your time!

  • @antn8387
    @antn8387 16 днів тому

    I wanted the Celestron Origin, but it's too heavy and bulky. I got the <10 pounds Seestar S50 instead and pocketed the rest. I do love the electro-mechanical sounds the Origin makes when it's in operation.

  • @tommiebrock6603
    @tommiebrock6603 17 днів тому

    Which Ipad do you use? How do you get WIFI in the middle of nowhere? Which Sky Safari app do you use?

    • @TheUnklecueball
      @TheUnklecueball 16 днів тому

      I am sure this works like the Seestar, that I own - it connects to your phone or iPad with WiFi - not to the internet. WiFi in this case is simply a way to connect to your device to control it.

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 16 днів тому

      I use the iPad Pro for mine. You connect to the WiFi that the evolution mount emits itself. All of this integrates with the Origin app for usage.

    • @tommiebrock6603
      @tommiebrock6603 16 днів тому

      @@MaximumAstronomy. Thank you very much, sir but I was just curious which iPad you actually use. Your video has convinced me to get the origins. I just don’t know which iPad to get and I want to get a good one.

    • @tommiebrock6603
      @tommiebrock6603 16 днів тому

      @@MaximumAstronomy thank you sir and I really appreciate your time. I really like your review and the time you spent on the Orgin. It definitely convinced me to get one and now that iPad Pro.

  • @Astronurd
    @Astronurd 17 днів тому

    6 hours isn't all night. It's only part of it. The camera is sub par for DSO imaging. AZ mount do i need to go on.

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 17 днів тому

      The device isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure. It is limiting in what it can do, and for the price point you should get a little more for your dollar.

  • @Astronurd
    @Astronurd 17 днів тому

    4K . Not a chance 👎👎👎

  • @donaldhalvorsen4135
    @donaldhalvorsen4135 17 днів тому

    I bought it and think it’s awesome. I own many telescopes, and think that it is a great machine. Very impressive for what it is. It’s totally easy to use.

  • @aliceh6538
    @aliceh6538 17 днів тому

    Something fishy about this scope. Bortle 8 and you getting those images? Seems like it is downloading them from celestron. Would be interesting to see if it still pulls this without any internet data connection, but then again it could plate solve and pull the images from internal memory. Which would explain why the AI images it produces look so artificial.

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 17 днів тому

      @@aliceh6538 The only WiFi connected was to the mount. I did not have my home WiFi connected in any way. These were straight from the telescope without processing. The only one that was is the 30 minute exposure on M17 towards the end. Everything else was straight out of the telescope.

    • @bradbenn719
      @bradbenn719 15 днів тому

      People said the same thing about the Seestar. Amazing that Seestar has an image of the trees in my yard in their database, which I can see in the raw images. (that's sarcasm btw) There is no way these devices have the capability to store so much data onboard. It would be very easy to verify that the images were being downloaded from a remote database so hardly worth the effort on the part of the manufacturer.

  • @georgebottarini1788
    @georgebottarini1788 17 днів тому

    Thank you. Great video. Have the Seestar and trying to decide on Origin. This helped

  • @TheToddgross
    @TheToddgross 18 днів тому

    Really need to see how jupiter looks in it

    • @sburre8965
      @sburre8965 17 днів тому

      These types of F/2 scopes are NOT designed for planetary viewing

  • @elgrande3934
    @elgrande3934 18 днів тому

    Nutty price

  • @awnstar2139
    @awnstar2139 18 днів тому

    Since last 5 months, i wait unprecedentedly for reviews start showing up so i could definitely take my final pic between Origin and Vespera Pro. 3 weeks ago i took a sudden turn and choose the hard path and begin my Astrophotography crusade and bought a basic rig under CA2.7k including used Canon M6. Now, thanks to your review and final thoughts, i feel just more confident about my decision since i needed that feeling of getting rewarded for my efforts; in which for sure after few weeks i wouldn't probably feel anymore with smart telescopes of any kind. Awesome detailed review!! Thanks!

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 17 днів тому

      @@awnstar2139 I’m glad I could help! Enjoy :)

  • @stevekathyrunion2204
    @stevekathyrunion2204 18 днів тому

    Nice review. Good job!

  • @robertro420
    @robertro420 18 днів тому

    thanks for the review

  • @David-vd4sd
    @David-vd4sd 18 днів тому

    Can you see craters on the moon with it?

  • @edtim3550
    @edtim3550 18 днів тому

    I still feel you loose something when the photons of the distant object are not hitting you retina. Nothing goes further then to connect me with distant objects then to have their actual light in my eyes. Let alone use A.I. to aid in image generation. I want to be able to actually see my targets.

  • @damienk2372
    @damienk2372 19 днів тому

    Well done on the review mate. Damo

  • @radiomegahertz
    @radiomegahertz 19 днів тому

    never mind , in alta zimuth you cant track your target correctly because the telescope cant rotate the camera , other issue is the thick wires in front of the telescope distort the stars , and your are limited because the power , in equatorial mounts you can use variety of telescopes

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 18 днів тому

      That is very true. But I don’t think Celestron is intending this to be a full on Astro-imaging rig replacement telescope. I think this is for quick observations and folks that want EAA over a full on imaging setup.

    • @robvilla622
      @robvilla622 9 днів тому

      Talk is there is a wedge coming.

  • @deep_space_dave
    @deep_space_dave 19 днів тому

    Would have been worth it if it used sensor like the IMX676, IMX585 or even IMX715 which could get smaller objects like galaxies! I used a IMX715 in my RASA8 and could even image objects as small as M57! One of those camera and a wedge and you really don't need anything else! The benefit of the IMX676 is 2um pixels x 12MP and ultra low dark current noise so no need for cooling. Thanks for the review!

    • @MaximumAstronomy
      @MaximumAstronomy 18 днів тому

      I agree the chip selection could have been better. But the one they chose isn’t a bad selection. But with better chips available and the premium price point, it’s a little bit of a let down.